\"Either we go on ascending, consolidating the country are going well with the European standards, or we pressed against the Kremlin wall , \"- said on Radio Freedom Anatoly Gritsenko , the leader of \" citizenship \", the former minister Defense of Ukraine, head of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense.
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"Russia understands that to restore its superpower status without Ukraine they will not "- he said - Mr. Gritsenko, your experience in the Verkhovna Rada, your experience in the state of Ukraine, in fact, as statesman, as minister of defense, as you suggests a phase now facing the country? Or we go on ascending, consolidating the country, normally go to European standards, or we pressed against the Kremlin Walls - We all understand that difficult. If we talk in terms of scientific, I will say this: the country is coming to the point of bifurcation. This is the point where you make a choice. In simple words, so continue to live and we can not choose - or we are on the ascent, consolidating the country, we are going wrong with the European standards, or we pressed against the Kremlin wall with all these "advantages" Customs Union, with the value system. This milestone has arrived. This is felt people. And here I want to add optimism. Because, unfortunately, 20 years old it took, the Poles realized this quickly, Lithuanians even faster. So, now in society is most ponadkonstitutsiyna. If you take a survey of all citizens, 60% of councils set up in Europe. This is a big plus. Second. In Parliament more than 400 votes (except that the Communists have their reservations) are willing to accept legislation to move to Europe. Third. The opposition, including our party of the "Citizenship", according to their own software installations, value system has always been for Europe. The oligarchs in favor of Europe. They set up the European market for European values. This is a huge plus! But the fourth, the authorities now in favor of Europe! Yanukovych personally Azarov, and more! For various reasons, but they do not want to go to the Customs Union and they do not want to be subordinate to Putin. Finally, it may be exotic, but nevertheless, the oligarchs in favor of Europe. That is, those people who financed the election campaign of President, which are now around a normal feeling, and they are set on the European market for European values. This is a huge plus! This means that if the country is now consolidated and will withstand a frantic pressure that comes from Russia, and we feel that every business, every industry feels over inflated gas prices, utility bills, the loss of competitiveness, if we we'll hold as it did other countries 20 years ago, then we have direct course, normal in Europe for decades to come. I would like to post this bifurcation point, the point of choice, if you will, time did we send X finally caught up with and those 20 years we have lost in the "stand there, Come here. " - Mr. Gritsenko, what more is that the current team changed its attitude to relations with the leadership of the Russian Federation? Private moments? And it may also change. Or the pressure of business Ukrainian, which requires the protection of their territory, their interests? - I think both. But first of all, if we're talking about the president Yanukovych, I think there personally. - Even the article in "Kommersant" extremely emotional. A single step towards Ukraine, the Kremlin did not. And this is Yanukovych had seen. - Let's just say it personally humiliated. He's in April last year made the step that I never would have done, that the opposition is not supported. And remember that the parliament in checkers, the smoke, as we tried to stop this treacherous "Kharkiv pact." He made it. I am convinced that now is not 100%, and 200%, if that Yanukovych could go back in time in April of that year, he would not sign the document. Because it may be naive to believe perhaps because some of his led where - I do not know a day fell, he believed, if he will surrender Sevastopol, the fleet, if he move out of the question of language, if it will take non-aligned status, if it starts in Russian banking sector or aircraft, or in space, Russia will treat him as a friend. Now he saw how the wolf does not feed, and sleep on it. Nor one step towards Ukraine, the Kremlin did not. Not one! And it's Yanukovich saw. When he met in Sochi with Russian president, they say, more four hours, he hears the bad things for themselves, and they even say goodbye, and his not being invited to dinner - it is a personal affront. When he goes the CIS summit, Medvedev and does everything possible to meet with him around one table go around, this is humiliation personally Yanukovych. He felt it. What gas entrepreneur has sold more than $ 600, it destroys economy. And I must honestly say who it kills. Russia's policy The government felt it differently. The government can not balance budget. He can not make a budget to the Parliament until the price of gas. Entrepreneurs feel it constantly, because the gas for the entrepreneur now sold more than $ 600, if converted at the rate of hryvnia, now it is destroying our economy. And I must honestly say who it kills. Russia's policy. Because that's up to strategic partners do not. Do not put your knees on a strategic partner. And we have set as a country and in 2006, covering gas, and in 2009, covering gas, plus Yanukovych these "Kharkiv pact" put more time on his knees in April year. - That is, regardless of what kind of power: orange, blue and white any other, Russia has always behaved in a purposeful and very monotonous. And what is this plan? Why? In Russia, well aware that to restore Ukraine's status as a superpower without them can not - let's try to arrange dot the "i". Russia - an independent state. She has the right to the policies that it has identified for itself a priority. She identified for a long time strategic goal to restore the superpower status recover the status that should, at least, the Soviet Union during the such a global confrontation. And it is consistently increasing its muscles economic, energy, consolidating the society around this ideas by force, and so on. She has a right to such a course. But we also is an independent country with a right to their own policy which has the right to build relations with other states on the basis of our interest. Here, the interests do not coincide. Why are not the same? Therefore that Russia understands the Kremlin strategists those that restore Ukraine's status as a superpower without them fail. The three Baltic states already moved to Europe. Belarus now they actually consume. Georgia Azerbaijan retreated from Russia. Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan - well, do not cook Empire with those countries. With all due respect to those countries to the people. Therefore, Ukraine - Is the key for them. And we do not have to go to any empire. You know, if there would have been a value system that in Western democracies, where would a normal court, which would be respect for the person, the normal election might not have penetrated security forces control of the state, it could be something to think about. But, unfortunately (I'm sorry here Russians), they do not live in a country of democracy, and there are no prospects for movement to the European standards that we have. Therefore, we should be absorbed by another State - it is contrary to our interests. And now on. On the gas You asked. Indeed under Kuchma, and Yushchenko, Yanukovych at - at all These three presidents have had problems in the gas sector. In all these three Presidents this area - the most corrupt in the country, most closed. And cook it yourself most dealers billions. Maybe not all, but the vast Most of our tycoons in this sphere and have super- hitherto received. - This week, the year in the studio sounded the thesis that in fact the gas that we get from Russia - A gas that is consumed utilities. Therefore, we asked: we have the oligarchs, we have rich people, they have a large enterprise, they consume gas, though they are calculated directly with "Gazprom" for the gas that they use. We were told no, utilities consumption Russian gas! Ukraine has a surplus of energy resources. We are more than God has given, what we need - you know, "minuscule walk in pairs," or the same thoughts come to mind to different people. Two months ago I wrote an article in the magazine «Forbes. Ukraine "is precisely on this theme and called it:" The Ukraine Russian gas is not needed. Ukraine needs a mask. " Where I advocate and urge readers, and now those who listen to us looking through the Internet, so they believe it: Ukraine has a surplus of energy resources. We are more than God has given, what we need. First. Own gas 20500000000 cubes, which We produce, plus the possibility of increasing this production on the shelf, plus supplies shale gas, which is not us but the Americans estimated to be 150 years old regions of Ukraine. Second. Coal - more than 400 years. Third. Europe's largest nuclear reactors. Fourth. Some of the most powerful rivers in Europe that provide hydroelectricity. I have already not talking about the small rivers of small generation, then that earlier, during the Soviet era, provides energy to entire neighborhoods. Further. Strategic transport routes. Transporting Russian gas to Europe, back in 2004-2005, we received plus 25 billion cubic meters! Only because transport. While there is no there were "RUE", and other intermediaries, where the "boil" money is not for the countries of Ukraine and Russia, but for some businessmen close to government. The names have become well known now. The most important thing. We have a huge potential reduce their consumption of energy resources, so as to produce What a country we spend three, four or even six times more energy than average European country. - So, experts say these oligarchs so work with their production, which in recent years they are cut gas consumption, and so here's utility sector consumes. Like it or No, Mr. Gritsenko? - 20, 5 billion, that is, it is sufficient, to ensure that our utilities sector and budget. - We can find out Parliament can find out, you'll see where he goes the gas produced in Ukraine? As long as Boiko fuel and energy minister, there is no hope for you, that the public interest, the interest of the people of Ukraine will be defended - Gas that is produced in Ukraine, according to the decisions that are taken should go to the utilities sector. But ... I must say, I suggested the same the article itself, make the President, if you want to clean up: We examined the inspection of all gas wells. At the same time, by the way, in his Donetsk, Lugansk areas of the tens of thousands kopanok, where coal is mined in closed session. "And you make a lot of discovery," You will see that the gas from individual wells not extracted at all. At the same time selling the gas. Where? Would be if that the one meter at the entrance to Russia and Ukraine is not in Ukraine and in Russia. Who and how it controls - no one knows. And it turns out that the right to lease the well provides a valid license, then to show why the gas did not appear. It is not necessary at all or you can get with the Russians' strike hands "- pumped more gas to Ukraine and went for export. This is the first. Second. See that some of our gas is exported at prices several times higher. Third. See that this government has recently introduced, and their majority parliament has decided to hand Chechetov gave right Boyko our gas that we produce, direct export. While there is Boiko, Fuel and Energy Minister, a man who was at the origins of "RUE" that for all three presidents had been there as long as the business partner Firtash to lead the industry as he will negotiate, no hope that the public interest, the interest of the people of Ukraine will defend. Because these people are interested in that gas was going as much as possible and could be on it, "acquire". Now changing its position because Yanukovych was outraged by what happens in the relationship with Russia. He does not want keep that pressure. So there is a problem. And when people ask me: and how is it possible, for example, a small country like Bulgaria to defend their interest with "Gazprom"? And there is no Boyko and Firtash in power. They advocate interest in Bulgaria. And we have - it is not clear whose. - That is for us to "Hung" on the "gas needle" There are so many people interested in Ukraine. I understand you correctly? - I call these people interested. They are owners of the chemical, metallurgical plants, plus the high officials who represent their interest in government. The same Boyko, who key minister. Why metallurgy and chemistry tied? And, on the other hand, why is it puts pressure on public policy? I'm for the business to be separated from power. The president, government, parliament is not responsible for the economic performance and profits of private enterprises. The fact that they create jobs place - this is cool. The fact that they pay taxes - cool. It is only necessary find out where they pay them? More offshore. And for him to go out and spend negotiate and bargain for them on the gas price by surrendering the more Sevastopol and our politics? Categorically against it! Private business, go ahead, go ahead and bargain! That - the interests of oligarchs. And this is - the responsibility of the state. Everything. - By Constitution, land and mineral resources belong to the people of Ukraine. Here is an opportunity The people of Ukraine, using the legal framework, which we have, to put question that the gas produced in the territory of Ukraine of our mineral resources, walked to the needs of every person, ie, the utilities sector? - I bet you a wider question. In fact, it is not only about gas and of coal, of all kinds ore ...
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